Curse

Gattocheese · Jan 23, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Zydonis

When will people learn that when everything is given to them, it doesn't mean anything?

/unsigned

QFT

/unsigned. This game is already casual enough. And everyone shouldnt have everything just given to them. A person who spends 4,000 hours playing this game should have more to show for it than a person who spent 200 hours. I know about the whole skill>time thing. But that doesnt matter in this case.

Kanyatta · Jan 23, 2008, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

Yes! A communist economy. That way we can all be poor.

There wouldn't be a "poor" if everyone had an equal platform to do things from.

If this idea was implemented, it would give your average to above-average player the chance to actually achieve an ultra-rare mini, even if it was only 0.00001% or so, which I think would be fair. Right now, without e-baying, uber-farming, or something like that, it is in no way possible to get a super rare mini.

Hear my plea, at least give the average player a chance to match the minipet elitists.

Just may I ask this one request of you who do not support this?

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

Div · Jan 23, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

There wouldn't be a "poor" if everyone had an equal platform to do things from.

If this idea was implemented, it would give your average to above-average player the chance to actually achieve an ultra-rare mini, even if it was only 0.00001% or so, which I think would be fair. Right now, without e-baying, uber-farming, or something like that, it is in no way possible to get a super rare mini.

Hear my plea, at least give the average player a chance to match the minipet elitists.

Just may I ask this one request of you who do not support this?

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

Did you not read my posts? Did you never learn to read? Just because you're bad at getting gold doesn't mean everyone is. The ones smart enough can make that kind of money without super farming or ebaying. If you want to put your trash poem on here, then start paying Anet $15 a month and then go complain about how it's unfair Asia gets minipet drawings and we don't.

Shayne Hawke · Jan 23, 2008, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by bowz

/signed

but not mini greased lighting that 1 should remain rare

I own one of those, but I can't really see why they should be exclusive if other pets are made public. How come the Rollerbeetle is exclusive to you?

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

There wouldn't be a "poor" if everyone had an equal platform to do things from.

If this idea was implemented, it would give your average to above-average player the chance to actually achieve an ultra-rare mini, even if it was only 0.00001%...

So, cutting through the BS, you're pretty much saying that you want to give poor players a chance to become rich by winning an ultra-rare mini.

And I say that idea sucks for reasons posted before in this thread, that if you don't actually win the minipet for something worthwhile and appreciate what you've done, there will be no personal worth in the minipet, and they've just become toys of the economy.

/unsigned

MithranArkanere · Jan 23, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

I say:

- Each end-chest has a very rare rate of dropping miniature of the one of the creatures you have to defeat to get the chest. If the creature is the Final Boss, better.
- Each creature has an ULTRA LOW rate of dropping its own miniature if it exists.

The pint is that HoM removes miniatures from part of the market. So someday there won't be more, and that increases too much the prices of the remaining ones.

NamelessBeauty · Jan 23, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Meh why should you care? This is a game. There are ppl who are busy in life and can not play this game much. But there are also ppl who does not have anything to do in life so they waste their time (or life) in the game. They get good drops. They get good number appear on the computer graphic. You may get rare miniatures but so what? It is nothing more than another extra toon appear in your COMPUTER -,-" You are not even allowed to sell your account lol! What's the point?

This game should only be for you to play and laugh not play and get angry and waste your time/energy for it -,-"

Hyper Cutter · Jan 23, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

The only reason you prefer a Mini Zhed over a Mini Koss (wanted to say devourer, but that one is just dull) is just because it is more rare. You want to show off you got the money to buy Zhed.
If Zhed was available to everyone, you just wouldn't care on buying it. Everyone already has one, why should you need it?

Or maybe they just like Zhed and would like a mini of him? That's why I want a Vizu, but I don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of having a chance of an opportunity of getting one...

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Not to mention that the Zaishen chest was designed to reward PvPers for their balthazar faction. As I remember, you can't use mini's in PvP. All in all, no logical argument that they should be added.

[wiki]Miniature Ghostly Hero[/wiki]

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

that if you don't actually win the minipet for something worthwhile and appreciate what you've done, there will be no personal worth in the minipet, and they've just become toys of the economy.

Worthwhile? Most of them were distributed by games of chance.

Phoenix Tears · Jan 23, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I say:

- Each end-chest has a very rare rate of dropping miniature of the one of the creatures you have to defeat to get the chest. If the creature is the Final Boss, better.
- Each creature has an ULTRA LOW rate of dropping its own miniature if it exists.

The pint is that HoM removes miniatures from part of the market. So someday there won't be more, and that increases too much the prices of the remaining ones.

this would also be a way i would agree too.

But how get then pets, that have no monsters to kill for ?

How get minipets, like Zhed, Vizu(Nika), Panda, and so on ...

This is also too a reason, why those pets MUST become alot more common...

because everytime someone dedicates one of them, they become even alot more rare, because the sum, that is something really "worth" for all of us collectors out there are undedicated minipets, so that we can put them on our own HoM..., thus decreasing the amount of usable minipets...

Not to mention, that there exist sure lots of stupid idiots ,which got eventiually 2 of them and just deleted then 1maybe...to reduce the amount of them, to make their other one even more worth.... and thats just griefing imo and abusing the stupid suply/demand system of GW to become more easily super rich....

When those gold buyers and uber farmers need really such super rare stuff, just to have something with that they can become even more super rich, till the point of becoming unable to become more richer, cause of complete full storage chest of 999 Platin and 999 Gold and complete full characters of minimum 8x 100Platin per character ... and a storage chest full of endless slots a 250 ectos/slot...when you people reach this, what will you do then ???

Whine about being unable to become even more riche,r when you are all still legendary Dagobert Ducks ????

When this is really the case, then should anet give those people simple something else, what will have a high demand, will be uber rare, BUT WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HALL OF MONUMENTS AND WILL BE TOTALLY UNINTERESTING FOR COLLECTORS, but not Minipets ...

They should not stay in the focus of being super rare...super rare can be imo rare materials...

for example implement some new rare materials, like:

Damascus, Orichalcum or Mythril... the 3 most known strongest sorts of Metals in RPG-Games and in the Fantasy Scene at all.

Especially Orichalcum and Mythril, which are also known for their magical effects are also known for their extreme rarity.

So, implement these know, and combine them for example now for something, that already exists ingame, has absolutely nothing to do with the HoM and is totally uninteresting for Collectors:

The Solution is:

Armbraces of Truth.

On the normal way, a player needs 15 Anguish Jewels of all 4 sorts to be able to trade them for 1 Armbrace....

let us say now, that you can exchange then instead of the jewels also somethign else.

say you can exchange 1 Armbrace for 1 Mythril or 1 Armbrace for 5 Orichalcum or 1 Armbrace for 10 Damascus ....

Or give those 3 new materials an other reason for existence:

say you can use them for pve only at some special legendary blacksmith npcs, which can then be found only in 3 different elite areas to be able to REFINE your equipment (those refinements get then resetted for PvP)

With Damascus for example you will be able to refine up to 3 times your maximum strength of your Weapons.
With Mythril you will be able to increase maximum 3 times your defense power of your armory
And with orichalcum you would be able to give either weapons or armory up to 2 times some special extra bonus effects)

Each tier of refine will cost then naturally more of those materials.

To refine your Weapon from T0 to T1, you need then 10 Damascus, T2 then 25 Damascus and T3 then 50

Same with Mythril, Orichalcum would need for T1 25 and for T2 then 50

A Max Sword T0 has then 15-22 Damage, with T1 it would be then 17-24, with T2 then 18-26 and with T3 then 20-30

Max Armor of a Warrior 80(100) would be then with T1 88 (110) with T2 100(125) and with T3 then 115(150)
The numbers in () say the amount, when you wear with 13 strength the stronger Armor Mod....

For Orichalcum used on Weapon:

T1 would increase critical rate of the Weapons attribute by 10%
T2 would give the Character a 10% chance to auto counterattack, when parried attacks with the Weapon (Melee) or give attacks a 10% Armor Penetration (ranged)

Orichalcum used on Armory

T1 would increase the maximum Health Points by 10 (Head, Hands, Feet), by 25 (Legs) and by 50 (Chest) (max + 105)
T2 would increase the maximum Energy by 2 (H,H,F), by 3 (L) and by 6 (C) (max + 15)

This way would have all those hardcore gamers

1. somethign they could aim for for very long time (thus having long term motivation to perfectionize their pve characters)

2. something for hardcore powertrading, that doesn't have anything to do with the Hall of Monuments at least and there is also no real sense in collecting those items,. because its either best to sell them asap for good money, or to use them for as said character improvement for pve ...

MithranArkanere · Jan 23, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

Miniatures of non-hostile NPCs would be acquirable in Gifts in events. With an extremely low rate, or by killing bosses of races hated by those NPCs.

Orange Milk · Jan 23, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

I'll tell ya what, all you cry babies that are moaning about this why don't you PM me your address and I'll mail you some gift certifictes to BooHOoger King and you can get a Whaa Burger and some French Cries, hows that sound?

Minis have no effect ont eh fgame in any way shape or form other than the HoM wich is fail anyway, the Deves have wasted ALOT of their own time creating them.

And just to make you cry, I delete mini pets, yeah, thats right, I open the gift and into the little trash icon they go. buh bye stupid mini.

MithranArkanere · Jan 23, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

I'll tell ya what, all you cry babies that are moaning about this why don't you PM me your address and I'll mail you some gift certifictes to BooHOoger King and you can get a Whaa Burger and some French Cries, hows that sound?

Minis have no effect ont eh fgame in any way shape or form other than the HoM wich is fail anyway, the Deves have wasted ALOT of their own time creating them.

And just to make you cry, I delete mini pets, yeah, thats right, I open the gift and into the little trash icon they go. buh bye stupid mini.

Eh...
Mate.

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Ok?

Now back to the issue.
Lasting items that would get their prices increased over time, thus increasing inflation, and that require a way to have everlasting income, so their prices do not go 'kaboom' when most of them are removed from the market. Beign either 'used up' (dedicated) or destroyed.

Currently there are some miniatures with unlimited sources. Like the Mallyx and Ghostly Hero mnatures. But some won't be given anymore, like the pig, Kuunavang or Varesh.
But if they unified the Polymock and Miniature system, they could make them drop in the same way as polymock pieces.

O Nuxtofulakas · Jan 23, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

/signed

till Anet removes ALL duped items from the game...

It's unfair not having half a chance to buy an ultra-rare mini cause u don't own XXX duped armbraces...
Check high end section for the winning bids of top 3-4 rarest minis...

..those who think that today they can get an ultra rare mini if they "work hard to get it" they can keep on dreaming...

deadmonkey4u · Jan 23, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Agreed.

This 'gimme-everything-now-lol-kkthxbye' community is making me sick.

/notsigned if you haven't figured it out.

indeed keep them rare

Div · Jan 23, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

Not to mention, that there exist sure lots of stupid idiots ,which got eventiually 2 of them and just deleted then 1maybe...to reduce the amount of them, to make their other one even more worth.... and thats just griefing imo and abusing the stupid suply/demand system of GW to become more easily super rich....

Hi. Go take economics again. A minipet's price isn't going to double just because one of them is gone from the market. In fact, no one even knows that. Only someone stupid like you would have two of a rare minipet and delete one. A smart person would sell both.

U Wanna Die · Jan 23, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Ok i know this has branched around a lot random discussion a lot of what your argueing about wasnt even part of the original idea so read the first post for an updated argument refining my purpose of this suggestion

Kanyatta · Jan 23, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Did you not read my posts? Did you never learn to read? Just because you're bad at getting gold doesn't mean everyone is. The ones smart enough can make that kind of money without super farming or ebaying. If you want to put your trash poem on here, then start paying Anet $15 a month and then go complain about how it's unfair Asia gets minipet drawings and we don't.

Maybe there are some people that want a way to get money without hard core PvE-ing all the time. Out of the last 1,000 hours I put into GW, maybe 25 was in PvE. Now I have about 2.5k to my name. I'd like to be able to buy some equipment for my PvE characters so I can use them in PvP and not have them go to waste. There is currently no way for me to make money without relegating to PvE, which I'd rather not do, I personally find it terribly boring.

In the current market, it is near impossible to sell my Zaishen Keys, I spent a good deal of time zoning between Kamadan and Great Temple of Balth, LA, and other places to try to sell my keys, and not one pm or anything. No one wants them. Currently there is a very slim chance of getting an item from there that is worth getting. I decided to just use my Keys on the chest, because I obviously wasn't going to sell them. I got a few Firewaters, Crem Brulees, and a req 12 gold hammer, and a req 13 soul reaping wand.

I never buy Zaishen Keys anymore, I just stick to Tournament Tokens, because then I can at least use them for something worthwhile.

Basically, the point of my story is, there needs to be a way for PvP players to get money. Currently, there is none. I'd like to have at least a hope to maybe have more than 30k at a time for once in my GW existence.

Meggle · Jan 24, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

/signed

I am one of those people that like collecting mini pets and aside from wanting some sort of special bank for them i would love to somehow have some of the more rare ones available, because all those ones that were avail only in europe or taiwan isnt fair....OP stated a valid way to give them out to keep them still rare while also providing people a chance to obtain the pet

Benster · Jan 24, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Phoenix,

Guy, you missed the point. I wasn't suggesting you grind out the rare minis. I was suggesting that you choose not to worry about it... Read my post again and then reply if you feel the need.

All I was saying was that maybe you should try enjoying the game...

holababe · Jan 24, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

but is it fair that someone can do one run and get a mini polar bear, and someone can spend the whole event doing the dungeon and never getting a single one? the lucky one now never has to farm for the rest of his GW life, he can buy a couple sets of FoW armor, the other guy gets nothing for his time, and now the polar bears are unattainable
what about when theyre all dedicated?
none for anybody else except the extremely lucky people with one

You know, following your logic everybody should be given anything that somebody else has and that they want.

Even though it might mean I could get one...
/notsigned

MithranArkanere · Jan 24, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Sooner or later, all miniatures that do not appear in birthday presents will be dedicated. And the last one that is not dedicated would have an insane price.

That alone is reason enough to add unlimited sources for them.

And end-chests (HoH, Zaishen, Dungeon, Elite) are one of the best places to add them, with extremely low rates, of course.